Comments on: Civil War #4 Kicks Me in the Metaphorical Nads, Film at 11 http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/2006/09/23/civil-war-4-kicks-me-in-the-metaphorical-nads-film-at-11/ no, really, there are some comics you really should read Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:50:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jer http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/2006/09/23/civil-war-4-kicks-me-in-the-metaphorical-nads-film-at-11/#comment-1793 Jer Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:30:51 +0000 http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/2006/09/23/civil-war-4-kicks-me-in-the-metaphorical-nads-film-at-11/#comment-1793 <i> In fact, how in the heck are they going to get ‘winners’ out of this? How is anything ever going to go back to normal again?</i> Who says it will? Who says this won't be a "new status quo" for the Marvel Universe - rendering it less and less like the real world with superheroes added and more like what the real world would actually look like with superheroes in it? That seems to be the vibe that they're going for here. Of course, if Reed and Tony don't turn out to be mind controlled/shapeshifting imposters/evil twins/alternate universe doubles/temporarily infected by the stupid virus, then it really changes those characters fundamentally from the types of characters we're likely to see in movie versions, so that might hurt things overall, but who knows what Marvel's thinking. My cynical fan voice says everything will return to status quo by maybe a year after the end of this, but I could be wrong. david - <i>I can’t think of one Millar character I don’t dislike</i> I can think of EXACTLY two - Ultimate Thor and Aztek. And Aztek may not count because that was in collaboration with Morrison. Every other Ultimate, everyone of his Authority, every one of his Ultimate X-men, I hate them all. They're such petty and small people with their psychoses writ large that I just want to smack them and yell "GROW UP" into their faces. In fact, how in the heck are they going to get ‘winners’ out of this? How is anything ever going to go back to normal again?

Who says it will? Who says this won’t be a “new status quo” for the Marvel Universe - rendering it less and less like the real world with superheroes added and more like what the real world would actually look like with superheroes in it? That seems to be the vibe that they’re going for here.

Of course, if Reed and Tony don’t turn out to be mind controlled/shapeshifting imposters/evil twins/alternate universe doubles/temporarily infected by the stupid virus, then it really changes those characters fundamentally from the types of characters we’re likely to see in movie versions, so that might hurt things overall, but who knows what Marvel’s thinking. My cynical fan voice says everything will return to status quo by maybe a year after the end of this, but I could be wrong.

david -
I can’t think of one Millar character I don’t dislike

I can think of EXACTLY two - Ultimate Thor and Aztek. And Aztek may not count because that was in collaboration with Morrison. Every other Ultimate, everyone of his Authority, every one of his Ultimate X-men, I hate them all. They’re such petty and small people with their psychoses writ large that I just want to smack them and yell “GROW UP” into their faces.

]]> By: david brothers http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/2006/09/23/civil-war-4-kicks-me-in-the-metaphorical-nads-film-at-11/#comment-1761 david brothers Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:36:56 +0000 http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/2006/09/23/civil-war-4-kicks-me-in-the-metaphorical-nads-film-at-11/#comment-1761 I've found that Guggenheim/Ramos on Wolverine is by far the best comic to come out of Civil War. It's pure, funny superheroics without the kind of mean-spirited twang that Nextwave has :) I've been very unimpressed with the Civil War miniseries, in no small part because Millar kind of sucks at characterization, which is the one thing that put Marvel far ahead of DC back in the day. I can't think of one Millar character I don't dislike, and when he's written everything from Midnighter to Spider-Man, who I love under other authors, that's saying something. I also kind of fundamentally disagree with his "old washed-up but still gritty warhorse" version of Captain America. That's crap, leave that in the Ultimate U. Brubaker's Cap is confident, kind, caring, and most of all honest and dignified. Frank Miller wrote back in DD: Born Again that Cap had a voice that could command a god. Note that Thor, Hercules, and Sersi have been on the Avengers, so that isn't just talking hot air :) Millar went straight for the opposite. A caricature of a man who is so driven by his cause that he can't see what's happening around him. McNiven is doing some great art work, but I'm so meh on the series it isn't even funny. I’ve found that Guggenheim/Ramos on Wolverine is by far the best comic to come out of Civil War. It’s pure, funny superheroics without the kind of mean-spirited twang that Nextwave has :)

I’ve been very unimpressed with the Civil War miniseries, in no small part because Millar kind of sucks at characterization, which is the one thing that put Marvel far ahead of DC back in the day. I can’t think of one Millar character I don’t dislike, and when he’s written everything from Midnighter to Spider-Man, who I love under other authors, that’s saying something.

I also kind of fundamentally disagree with his “old washed-up but still gritty warhorse” version of Captain America. That’s crap, leave that in the Ultimate U. Brubaker’s Cap is confident, kind, caring, and most of all honest and dignified. Frank Miller wrote back in DD: Born Again that Cap had a voice that could command a god. Note that Thor, Hercules, and Sersi have been on the Avengers, so that isn’t just talking hot air :)

Millar went straight for the opposite. A caricature of a man who is so driven by his cause that he can’t see what’s happening around him.

McNiven is doing some great art work, but I’m so meh on the series it isn’t even funny.

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